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Legacy of Abuse in Sri Lanka

Anna Neistat | October 16, 2009

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For several months during and after the end-game of the decades-long civil war between the government and the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE), Sri Lanka's government brushed off Western criticism of its abusive practices. It has relied instead on moral and financial support from states less concerned with such matters, such as China and Pakistan. Countries with similar problems and equally questionable human rights records are paying close attention — has Sri Lanka discovered the magic formula for brazenly ignoring meddlesome Western countries and getting away with it?

Sri Lanka's policy of complete dismissal was initially successful. But now the government seems to have discovered that ignoring the strongly held opinions of powerful Western partners has consequences that might not be in the long-term interest of the country or its ruling elite after all.

Atrocities and Cover-up

On May 19, 2009, the Sri Lankan government declared victory over the LTTE. This marked an end to a 26-year-long civil war that killed tens of thousands of people. Human Rights Watch's continuous research in the country established that during the final phase of the conflict, both the Sri Lankan Armed Forces (SLAF) and the LTTE repeatedly violated the laws of war, causing numerous civilian casualties.

Forced to retreat by SLA offensive operations, the LTTE drove civilians into a narrow strip of land on the northeastern coast of Sri Lanka. They effectively used several hundred thousand people as human shields. On at least several occasions, the Tamil Tigers shot at those trying to flee to government-held territory. LTTE forces also deployed near densely populated areas, placing civilians in greater danger from government attacks. As the fighting intensified, the LTTE stepped up its practice of forcibly recruiting civilians, including children, into its ranks and into hazardous forced labor on the battlefield.

The government, in turn, used the LTTE's grim practices to justify its own atrocities. Sri Lankan forces repeatedly and indiscriminately shelled areas densely populated with civilians, sometimes using area weapons incapable of distinguishing between civilians and combatants. As the LTTE-controlled area shrank, the government unilaterally declared "no-fire zones" or "safe zones" on three different occasions, telling civilians to seek shelter there. Nevertheless, government forces continued attacking these areas. In blatant disregard of the laws of war, government forces also fired artillery that directly struck or landed near hospitals on at least 30 occasions.

Sri Lanka claimed that in the last days of the war, it carried out "the largest hostage-rescue operation" that liberated thousands of Tamils from the oppressive rule of the LTTE. Yet in reality, to this day the "rescued" Tamil population has seen neither freedom nor relief. From March 2008 until the present, the government has confined virtually all civilians displaced by the war in military-controlled detention camps, euphemistically called "welfare centers." In violation of international law, the government denied the displaced their rights to liberty and freedom of movement. The camp residents are kept in the dark regarding their own future and the fate of their missing relatives. More than four months after the end of hostilities, the government continues to hold more than 250,000 civilians in illegal detention.

The full extent of the crimes committed by both sides to the conflict is still unknown. The Sri Lankan government spared no effort to prevent independent coverage of its military operations and the plight of displaced civilians. It has kept out both international and local media as well as human rights organizations, has made sure that witnesses to its abuses are securely locked up in camps, and has harassed and persecuted those who dared to speak out — doctors, activists and journalists. It has even deported outspoken UN officials.

Turning East

Despite mounting evidence of abuses in Sri Lanka, the response from Western countries was initially weak, though eventually several governments, including the United States, the United Kingdom and France, raised their voices. They strongly condemned indiscriminate attacks and urged a humanitarian corridor for civilians trapped in the war zone. After the war, they called for an independent investigation and continued to advocate against indefinite detention of the displaced. In a show of disapproval of Sri Lanka's human rights violations, these countries, along with Germany and Argentina, also made the unprecedented move of abstaining from the vote on the International Monetary Fund's $2.6 billion loan to Sri Lanka. The loan, delayed for several months because of these concerns, was eventually approved in July 2009. But each quarterly installment will need a separate vote of approval by the IMF's board of governors.

The Sri Lankan government, however, gambled on the idea that no matter how upset the West may be, nobody would judge the "winners." It dismissed all criticism out of hand. It attacked Western governments for their own human rights practices, calling the pleas for civilian protection "hypocrisy and sanctimony." And it accused critical governments and international institutions of being LTTE sympathizers.

Sri Lanka's confidence in the face of criticism was also boosted by a gradual re-orientation of its foreign policy toward the East. According to some defense experts, Chinese military ordnance was decisive in the final stages of the war against the LTTE. Pakistan has boosted its annual military assistance loans to Sri Lanka to nearly $100 million. Iran granted $450 million for a hydropower project and provided a seven-month credit facility so that Sri Lanka's entire crude oil requirement could be sourced from there; it also reportedly provided low-interest credit so that Sri Lanka could purchase military equipment from Pakistan and China. Libya pledged $500 million as a financial co-operation package for development projects. Even Burma donated $50,000 to the Sri Lankan government.

In addition to substantial financial support, Sri Lanka's new friends also stood up to defend Sri Lanka against accountability at the UN Security Council. In the Human Rights Council, Sri Lanka received wholehearted support from countries like Cuba, Pakistan, Venezuela, Iran, and others who ensured the adoption of a deeply flawed resolution that largely commended the Sri Lankan government for its current policies. In June, the Shanghai Cooperation Organization — an intergovernmental mutual-security organization founded by the leaders of China, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan — granted Sri Lanka the status of Dialogue Partner.

While the support for Sri Lanka was largely driven by each country's political and economic motives, some common factors were also clearly in play — an effort to counterbalance India's influence in the region (in the case of China and Pakistan), similar problems with separatist groups and abusive counterinsurgency campaigns, and an overall tendency to jointly oppose Western criticism and challenge Western domination in the international arena.

Reality Bites

Sri Lanka's hardnosed response to its Western critics may have worked in the short term but it may not be, after all, sustainable.

The first reality check came with the European Union's threat to withdraw significant trading privileges granted to Sri Lanka under a trading scheme called the Generalized System of Preferences plus (GSP+). Since 2005, the privileges allowed Sri Lanka to export goods and products duty-free to EU countries. According to an EU estimate, the agreement was worth €900 million and employment of over 100,000 people in the apparel sector in Sri Lanka.

In September this year, the EU presented the Sri Lankan government with the results of a year-long investigation of Sri Lanka's compliance with human rights requirements for continued GSP+ status. The Sri Lankan government refused to cooperate with the investigation. However, upon realizing that the threat of withdrawal was real and could become politically costly if the government calls early presidential elections, authorities launched an aggressive campaign, spearheaded by a president-appointed ministerial task force, to ensure the continuation of the trade concessions. Through it all, the government insisted at home that it wouldn't bend under Western pressure.

In the meantime, the U.S. State Department has been preparing a congressionally mandated investigative report into allegations of war crimes committed by both sides during the final phase of the conflict. Around September 21, when the investigation was due to be presented in Congress, pro-government Sri Lankan media published dismissals of the report, saying that it was based on hearsay and "violates Sri Lanka's rights and sovereignty." The critics admitted they hadn't seen the text — which wasn't surprising, given that the presentation of the report had been postponed and the whole campaign proved to be a false start. It did indicate, however, how anxious Sri Lanka is about the report's possible conclusions. Some of the top officials must be particularly concerned about being accused of war crimes by a country where they hold citizenship or permanent residency status.

Sri Lanka's nervousness about its international standing has not yet triggered any significant improvement on human rights matters, and there is no indication that the government is genuinely rethinking its policies. The changing discourse, however, implies that the government may be more susceptible to pressure than the international community previously believed. And the international community should use this moment to ensure progress on some of the burning human rights issues — freedom for thousands of displaced Tamil civilians, the end of persecution of journalists and civil society activists, and accountability for violations committed during the conflict.

In addition to pushing publicly and privately for the release of the displaced, the United States has a particularly important role to play on the issue of accountability. It should use its influence at the UN to help launch an international independent investigation into violations of humanitarian law. Washington should also make clear that future development aid to Colombo will depend on concrete progress on these key issues. Abstaining from the vote on the second tranche of Sri Lanka's IMF loan would be an appropriate way to convey the message.

Foreign Policy In Focus contributor Anna Neistat is a senior researcher for Human Rights Watch's emergencies division and is a specialist in humanitarian crises.

 

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Name Peter Ratnadurai Date: Oct 16, 2009
70% of Sri Lanka's exports are bound to the West and encouraged by special schemes such as GSP+. Last year, even with Iranian FDI, EU and US accounted for more than half of foreign currency earnings. Even the internment camps are funded by EU and US.
Name Fouwaaz Date: Oct 16, 2009
The author seems to ignore the fact that the LTTE was nothing but a bunch of ruthless killers. They murdered tens of thousands in cold-blood -- and that's reality. Are we in an age that condones terrorism and the wanton destruction and toppling of democratically elected governments?
Name Sandra Date: Oct 16, 2009
This may be the first time in its existence of over 30 years, the Human Rights Watch faces with a high sophisticated and virulent regime in Sri Lanka. The Sri Lankan conflict has no comparison to the situations in Sudan or Kosovo. The moderate dealings or soft diplomacy exercised by the western and democratic world is bound to fail in Sri Lanka.

Sri Lankan conflict has seen every type of human abuses in the history of mankind. You do not see all atrocities at one time on a vulnerable society - use of heavy and lethal wepons and mass carnage on civilians, starvation, repeated bombings on hospitals, abductions, torture, media blackout, killings of journalists, long detention of civilians, barring international participation etc. - are denied and vehemently protested by Sri Lanka everytime it takes place.

Though the international community knows very well that 'screening, de-mining, welfare of own citizens' are all a farce, none of them dared open their mouth. It is very, very scary.

Sri Lankan regime seems to enjoy every aspects of this including the sweet war on terror, divided world politics and maritime ambitions of regional powers.

If the humanity to survive in the 21st century, the international community should act swiftly in ending the Sri Lankan endemic culture of impunity. There is no power shift to East or West. There is only insanity in the world. Thank you.

Name Merly Ponnuthurai Date: Oct 16, 2009
Caught in the midst of a regional power struggle between the Chinese, Indians and Pakistanese, the Tamils were hit hard and are continuing to be hit. I dont know if the world is expecting the Tamils to forget all these atrocities that went unnoticed. A new wave of terror is sure to begin if justice is not served.
Name Alex Date: Oct 16, 2009
The current plight of Tamils is essentially a result of the "ideological bankruptcy of the International Community" in not being able to find universal formulas for recognising righteous questions of liberation.

“Human rights agencies say that there are between 30 to 50 ‘disappearances’ every day of people from the camps. The Sri Lankan Government may well be continuing its human rights abuses with these arbitrary arrests." nefarious Colombo for its move to weed out alleged ex LTTE cadres within the camps as “collectively punishing the non-combatant civilians who wish to return home”.

“International pressure is being stifled in the United Nations and elsewhere” China's opposition to censure Sri Lanka at the Security council during the height of the onslaught as evidence “that the machinery of the United Nations has been emasculated by China's veto as China considers Sri Lanka is in its sphere of influence” before slamming Beijing’s promotion of non-interference with national sovereignty as “convenient”.

The International Criminal Court has opened an initial inquiry into Sri Lankan rights-abuse cases that could turn into a full-blown investigation. Recalcitrant Sri Lanka however, is not an ICC signatory and thus would have to consent — or be referred by the U.N. Security Council — for the ICC to have jurisdiction over it.

As world history attests, peace sought through the suppression and humiliation of an ethnic community proves to be elusive. “First brutally abusing the human rights of a people to shatter their spirit and then in the guise of restoring them blunting the basic political question is the trick experimented with Tamils by the forces of the newly found world order?

Name chennai pokkiri Date: Oct 16, 2009
INDIA is a slave of a woman who came to india to get rich and hungry for power, she is the killer. Indians have become slaves, if they were free they would know to protect tamil hindus, they would know to stand for truth and justice right next to their own border, if they were free and honest and caring, they would not just watch and allow the horrific concentration camps in srilanka, the death of a culture, history and people.
Name Ganesha Date: Oct 16, 2009
Truth will prevail. The Tamils in Tamil Nadu live in worse conditions than in Sri-Lanka. The TAMILS in Sri-Lanka had all the privileges and advantages. They misused their position in every walk of life. Gained access to higher education by resorting to unscrupulous means. As the saying goes one can fool some people some time but not all the people all the time. It wont be long before there will be a scramble to return to Sri-Lanka by the very people who cried Genocide to seek Asylum in heaven. Truth will Prevail. I can Write a BOOK on the True Facts. The World had got used to lying. A sad day for humanity.
Name Saro Freeman Date: Oct 16, 2009
It's an almost complete report but failed to mention that Tamil MPs of TNA with 22 out of 23 MPs from Tamil speaking provinces are barred from visiting or listening to their constituents interned behind barbed wires. EU can bring about a change if the vote bank in the South are made to face of the consequences of the extremist policies of the government against minority Tamils by withholding the GSP+ until real changes are genuinely made. This may be the first effective action that makes the government rethink its policies.
Name Rajesh Date: Oct 16, 2009
Just an example of the deceit and misinformation campaign: http://bailaman.blogspot.com/2009/10/what-are-you-smoking-brad-adams-human.html
Name Saravana Date: Oct 16, 2009
The article has completely ignored aerial bombings against civilian Tamil areas in the north and east for years during open conflict which has killed the most number of civilians numbering tens of thousands, maimed many more and flattened towns and villages thereby forfeiting the right to rule such areas except by overt violence and despotism. In the concluding satges of such bombings of the war in 2009 it hired the Pakistani Air Force to use WMDs like cluster bombs and phosphorus bombs indiscriminately in the the Wanni are open testimony of an ethnically vile state run by despots. The rule of law and justice are quite conspicuos by their absence. Little wonder serious human rights violations and war crimes flourished and continue to flourish in the country insulated by obduracy towards respecting norms under international humanitarian laws to which it had itself ratified under a phoney old cliche of non-interference in it's internal affairs.

The west is in a quandary because of its own dark trail left behind in the aftermath of the wars in Iraq and Afghansistan on human rights. Sri Lanka well knows that and is taking cover under the flimsy 'war against terror' umbrella.

Economic pressure is one way of bringing the country's regime to heel and drive the message that it doesn't pay to ignore human rights norms as in the case of the GSP+ Facility extended by the EU. A swifter action may have borne better results.

The question remains as to how to bring war criminals to account in an international court since national laws and justice are badly muted or gerrymandered in its favour.

The inevitable question remains: how is a failed state to be tackled?

Name punitham Date: Oct 16, 2009
This 61-year conflict is the result of the combination of internal colonialism in an island with geopolitics of an island in a strategically desired position for powerful governments. Tamils have suffered immensely and a hardworking people have been reduced to destitutes in the sixty years when most of the world progressed tremendously by fast-advancing science and technology. The utter viciousness of the government is evident from the absence of any change in its human rights and hunaitarian practice in spite of the utter criticism from bodies like IBA, ICJ, ICG, etc. Tamils will be served justice only when a critical mass of Sinhalese change their mindset towards Tamils.
Name WARUNA Date: Oct 16, 2009
I think miss Neistat hits the nail in the coffin hear and exemplifies what 'west wants to achieve in Sri Lanka and everywhere in the world. the ideals of Human Rights is merely one tool in the battle to create dependency on the west and dominate these nations post colonialism. the white man's burden lives on. How dare values, traditions, practices take precedence over 'proven to be objectively correct' western values, traditions, practices. Clearly western culture is superior and every other nation in the world must conform to everything that the west says. how dare India or China or Iran succeed, without following the subscribed formula from the Great UK and USA.

Miss Neistat is doing a great job advancing her western culture, personal beliefs and attempting to re-enforce white euro-centric superiority and dominance over the rest of the world. the plight of the well being of the human beings in these states are of secondary importance to this overall aim of cultural dominance.

Sri Lanka should learn its lesson. Ask the Zulus and the Jews... conform to the white man's rule or get wiped out.

"Sri Lanka's government brushed off Western criticism of its abusive practices"

"Sri Lanka's hardnosed response to its Western critics ".

"Despite mounting evidence of abuses in Sri Lanka, the response from Western countries was initially weak."

"Sri Lanka's confidence in the face of criticism was also boosted by a gradual re-orientation of its foreign policy toward the East"

Name Sithamparam Date: Oct 16, 2009
Threats made by the western countries to withhold special preferences or aid is called a bluff by the hard liners in the Sri Lankan government. By luring India's enemies Pakistan and China Sri Lanka could get defensive weapons, credit facilities and support of the former in the UN against war crimes probe. Likewise it wants support and aid from the West by flirting with the human rights violators like Iran, Libya, China, Burma and Russia. The EU must stand firm and nu budging unless Sri Lanka realises persecution and continued human rights violations are undemocratic, against the international law and against civil conduct.
Name Sin Hell a Date: Oct 17, 2009
61 years of suffering continue for Tamils. So long as the government is successful in covering up the atrocities and mass graves, they can pretend to be happy. But, you can read their faces, they are worried that the truth might come out one day and they may be held responsible for the massacres. Tamils are sad that their sacrifices have gone in vain because the whole world was naive to believe the government and watched in silence the carnage and burial of 50,000 which are still unaccounted for.
Name Sin Hell a Date: Oct 17, 2009
Sri Lanka rejects West 'lectures' http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8026639.stm

Tamil Camps http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/16/opinion/16iht-edtamil.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

The Time of Judgement has arrived to the Land of Terror http://my.telegraph.co.uk/richarddixons/blog/2009/07/12/the_time_of_judgement_has_arrived_to_the_land_of_terror?ts=1247589026

Emerging Powers turning into blood sucking leeches http://my.telegraph.co.uk/richarddixons/blog/2009/07/08/emerging_powers_turning_into_blood_sucking_leeches_Tamils

Tamils languishing in Sri Lankan Death Camps http://my.telegraph.co.uk/richarddixons/blog/2009/06/13/tamils_languishing_in_sri_lankan_death_camps

Sri Lankan Puppets in the Hands of Emerging Superpowers http://my.telegraph.co.uk/richarddixons/blog/2009/06/01/sri_lankan_puppets_in_the_hands_of_emerging_superpowers

When Justice failed in Teardrop Terror Island! http://my.telegraph.co.uk/richarddixons/blog/2009/05/23/when_justice_failed_in_teardrop_terror_island

The Real Culprits behind Sri Lankan War http://my.telegraph.co.uk/richarddixons/blog/2009/05/20/the_real_culprits_behind_sri_lankan_war

Sri Lanka: A Paradise turned into Kingdom of Vultures! http://my.telegraph.co.uk/richarddixons/blog/2009/05/20/sri_lanka_a_paradise_turned_into_kingdom_of_vultures

Name Budda Date: Oct 17, 2009
Tamil Genocide continue
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/sri-lanka/TC70A5EDNMP25J14C
Name Anonymous Date: Oct 17, 2009
The UN has been a place where oppressors like Sri Lanka can keep on controlling damage by getting around human rights violators to vote against any sanctions. Membership of UN Human Rights Council should not be on the basis of geography but on the basis of human rights record. reforming the UN is going to be nearly impossible with the human rights violators spread out geographically to gain membership of UNHRC on the basis of geography. In essence, the ethnic minorities in this world are not going to have justice easily unless the oppressors miraculously change their minds/hearts.
Name punitham Date: Oct 17, 2009
After six decades of political oppression and the death of more than 100,000 Tamils, forced emigration and forced displacement of many more and much, much, much more misery, President Rajapakse told an interviewer from Express Buzz(Indian daily), 3 September 2009::

"Economic development rather than a conventional political settlement would ensure lasting peace. Reconciliation with Tamil communities in the island's north and east, he added, meant providing basic needs to them such as electricity, water, shelter, education. They (the Tamils) want to start their paddy fields, go back to their farms."

What else can speak the plain malice in the heart of the government than this?

Name "Indians" Are not Indians Date: Oct 17, 2009
Some docile homer type made a comment about Tamil Indians living in worse conditions...it maybe true in some aspects but that is primarily because of colonisation by the muslims and christian nations and for assimilating with nonsense. These foreign types have subjugated the original people of the land and now everyone paying the price...living in slums, the concept of caste being misunderstood, inadequate sanitation, using dirty sewage, building of dams to erradicate the tribals people, listening to monotonous bhangra, dreary bollywood sagas that cost the earth....and more....

Tamils in Sri Lanka were faced with extinction but will always rise above that even if some NWO types try for some daylight robbery by ludicrously charging Tamils with fraud etc.

As for HRW, AI and other NGO types - funded by the NWO - watched and commented as thousands died ...as long as their staff are fed and watered...what matter....other people's strife is their bread and butter.

Be careful who you feed.

Name Saleem Date: Oct 17, 2009
We minorities in Sri Lanka accept that we do not have the same privileges like the majority that elects its own government for themselves. We do work for the country and pay taxes. We want to be treated as human beings and not lock within barbed wires and guarded by gun carrying Sinhalese soldiers who cannot speak our language and shoot whenever we want to talk to our relatives in other camps. We have been starving for months in the 'save zone' and now cannot have water to clean ourselves even in the toilet. We were happy to live in our villages and go about our daily work. The areas we lived have no mines. Western countries must withhold aid, loans and special tax concessions until we are set free from camps and the army is withdrawn from all the Tamil speaking areas. We want a solution that enable us to live with dignity and without the harassment from the armed forces. These camps are slowly turning into breeding grounds of future 'terrorists'.
Name jonathan Date: Oct 17, 2009
is Dr Neistat one of the people who personally and materially gains from the suffering of civilians during armed conflict? does she stand to gain from working to prolong conflicts via lobbying for certain causes, morally encouraging and inciting violence? Does she stand to gain from creating a perception of a gross humanitarian crisis when there isn't one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q9B-vzC9Xw&feature=player_embedded

Name Dash Date: Oct 17, 2009
Ms. Neistat,

Get over it. You are nothing but a western colonial stooge. This statement "It has relied instead on moral and financial support from states less concerned with such matters [abusive practices]" in your first para summarized your biased view. The whole world watched in horror as US and Europe bombed Irag to the stone age and killed over 100,000 civilians in your war against terror. Your and Human Rights Watch did nothing. Then you'll tortured, maimed, and killed prisoners of war in secret prisons for 6 years and still are continuing. What western standards are you talking about? Human Rights watch and you again in this article, refer and quote news released from terrorist organizations. This helps your cause of fund raising, but repeating lies does not make it true. The only standard the west want from asian and african countries is to be a slave nation for their economic success and your are one of their enforcers of the colonial system.

Name Suntharesan Date: Oct 17, 2009
Tamil problem is more than 61 years old, but most of the world is made to believe it began only with pirabaharan and only 31 years old, and it is terrorirsm FORGETTING the prolonged ATROCITIES OF SINGALESE IN 1958, 56, 61, 77, 83 ALONG WITH those of from armed forces.
Name Mike Date: Oct 17, 2009
The world has to quickly turn straight the Sri Lankan human catastrophe before many other country try - A genocide to suppress the legitimate rights of the people
Name Mawatha Silva Date: Oct 20, 2009
Thirumavalavan, who was part of a delegation of MPs from Tamil Nadu that visited some camps for the internally displaced Tamils in Lanka, took a stand independent of the delegation’s on Monday.

“No one can tolerate the sufferings of Tamils in the camps. I am at a loss to understand why countries, including India, continue to be mere spectators to this tragedy,” he said.

He said the displaced Tamils he met in the camps had cried and pleaded with the delegation to poison them rather than let them live in the camps.

The camps were crammed, with eight to 10 people made to live in spaces meant for just two persons.

Thirumavalavan has called upon the international community to declare the Lankan President and his brother ‘war criminals’ and impose economic sanctions on the island nation.

Name sfernando Date: Oct 20, 2009
this article and comment section that follow are a murderous joke. it is made up of unsubstantiated claims lifted straight from tamil tiger murderers' propaganda. when links are given we find that originals are either not saying what is claimed here or linked to non journalistic blogs.
Name varun Date: Oct 23, 2009
we left this world,with the agony of" who will bring the justice for our deaths"?.....international community don't let the srilankan government to kill us twice by refusing the justice for our deaths.....I CAN HEAR THESE VOICES ...CAN ANYONE...?
 
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